Guest Dr. Vickie Cook joins hosts Kelvin and Tom to discuss unexpected career trajectories for digital learning professionals, especially COLOs, related to sought-after, transferable skill sets.

Guest Dr. Shubha Kashyap joins hosts Tom and Kelvin to share some of her leadership lessons learned with an explicit emphasis on the importance of openness to learning and the value of mentoring and coaching. This episode was recorded as part of the curriculum for the 2020 OLC IELOL Immersion Experience.